We're now seeing one science breakthrough after the other, but they're also combining, which is the combinatorial effect, to actually make the world entirely different. I think it's really important to realize that the future is not just exponentially different. And by the way, to the listeners, if you go to, you can see Frank's graphics on this and you definitely have to download those. GERD LEONHARD: Well, you know I really love the combinatorial aspect of how you're describing this. I do believe that we're struggling with linear structures and linear thinking in a world that is much more exponential. And so, we're starting to see innovation exploding, as a result of combinations that smart people are leveraging to create value in so many different ways. They can be combined in ways that create value fairly rapidly. One of the underlying or foundational reasons for that, I believe, is that there are so many building blocks in place already. What do you make of that and what's your key theme there?įRANK DIANA: Well, as you and I have spoken before, I think there are two words there–exponential and combinatorial, in that the future is much more fast paced than we've ever experienced in the past. So what do you think about this–the fact that the future is exponentially different. This sounds like a Silicon Valley meme, but it's really used quite differently in our world. We actually talk about similar topics quite a bit and one of them is this idea that the future is exponentially different. But let's go right into the topic of the Future of Business. People that listen to this podcast would know what I do, so I’ll talk more about that later. So let's talk about briefly, because I kind of do the same thing in similar ways. GERD LEONHARD: Well that's very interesting because the Future of Business is a topic we've been talking about for years now. My title actually is Principal, Future of Business, here at TCS. I spend most of my time focused on the next three to five years and beyond and what it might mean for leaders everywhere–not just business, but government, the impact to society and what that might mean for a business. I'm with Tata Consultancy Services and I am somewhat of a futurist and advisor. Just tell us briefly what you do and how you do it.įRANK DIANA: Well, good morning Gerd. There's lots of synchronicity between what we do, so we figured we'd have a short podcast conversation today, primarily about the topic of Reimagining the Future, because Frank is also a bit of a futurist. Frank and I have been exchanging e-mails and messages with each other for years now and we've become fans of each other's work. Today, I'm having a conversation with Frank Diana who works for Tata Consultancy Services, TCS, and he will talk about that in a second. GERD LEONHARD: Hello this is Gerd Leonhard, Futurist in Zurich, Switzerland. “Reimagining the Future” Podcast Discussion between Gerd Leonhard and Frank Diana January 9, 2017 UPDATE January 13: Rose and Kevin at TCS just did a transcript of our talk – thanks!Īnd here is the PDF: Gerd Leonhard Frank Diana Podcast Transcript (excerpt below) Listen to Frank and me during a recent SAP Radio podcast. Read my other posts on Frank's work here. Frank also has some posts on The Futures Agency blog. You can listen to the entire podcast below. We had a lively conversation which will definitely not be the last time I'd predict. Like-minded thinkers I guess:) We finally decided to connect for a quick podcast on “reimagining the future” and how we can help our clients to better transform their businesses. I have been reading his posts and studying his illustrations (see below for a collection) quite a bit in the past few years and some of them actually ended up in my own presentations. Frank Diana works at TCS (Tata Consultancy Services) and he does a great job explaining digital transformation for his clients and the world at large.
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